Turning Founder Syndrome Into Your Superpower with Leanne Linsky

Leanne Linsky's journey from stand-up comedian to tech founder offers a masterclass in resilience and adaptability. What began as a practical solution to spending "more time on the highway than on any stage" evolved into Plauzzable - a groundbreaking platform where comedians perform live online for global audiences, free from of geography or gatekeepers.

This conversation explores the emotional roller coaster of founder syndrome, where passionate problem-solving exists alongside isolation and self-doubt. "Side effects include getting fatigued, feeling isolated, and questioning what am I doing?" she shares candidly. Yet her perspective on entrepreneurial solitude evolved dramatically over time, transforming from a perceived weakness into a strategic strength.

After years in comedy, including training at the prestigious Second City and producing shows in New York, she faced a pivotal moment when she was laid off from her Fortune 500 job. Rather than playing it safe, she packed two suitcases and moved to New York, immersing herself in comedy before eventually creating a tech solution for performers. Her story includes returning to school at age 50 for a master's degree in innovation and entrepreneurship - a commitment to continuous learning that helped bring her vision to life.

What makes her approach remarkable is how she learned to filter advice and feedback.  Early on, she absorbed everyone’s input, but learned to ask: “Is that feedback really pertinent to the direction I'm going? Is that person an expert in this particular industry?” That discernment let her focus on execution, not endless revision. Most importantly, she reframed isolation as reflection time - a space to clarify vision and build resolve.

Listen to this episode for practical wisdom on building both a business and the inner resources needed to sustain the entrepreneurial journey over the long term. You'll find inspiration in Leanne's approach to "pushing the boulder up a mountain" with purpose and perspective.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Understanding Founder Syndrome
• 3:33 From Comedy to Entrepreneurship
• 8:39 Moving to New York for Comedy
• 13:25 Educational Pivot During COVID
• 17:10 Building Plausible: Live Comedy Platform
• 23:07 Embracing Entrepreneurial Isolation
• 31:54 Finding Power in Self-Reflection
• 35:56 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Transcript

Leanne: 0:00

I want to learn and hear what everybody has to say, and if you ask someone for their opinion, they have one. But I also have to recognize is that feedback really pertain to the direction I'm going? Is that person an expert in this particular industry or is it coming from a place of founder experience or investor experience? So I'm not so overwhelmed or trying to spend all of my time creating a pitch deck that everybody likes versus just getting the work done.

Nico: 0:35

Let me invite you to sit back, drop your jaw, tongue and shoulders, take a deep breath and, if you wish, close your eyes for a moment and feel the beat within. And if you wish, close your eyes for a moment and feel the beat within, in a few seconds you just jumped from your head to your heart and felt the beat within, opening up to receive even more value and fulfillment out of your business and life. And today's episode. I'm your host, nico van de Venne, confidant to successful CEOs, founders and entrepreneurs striving to achieve everlasting fulfillment. Now, before we dive into today's episode and our next guest, I have a small request.

Nico: 1:17

So, if you find value in our podcast, share it with at least one person in your network that can be, you know, informed with the content. Leave us a five-star review and give us some feedback. People Ask us questions because it's always much more fun when we ask questions from the audience and share it around the world, of course. So thank you for the support. Let's get started. Welcome to the Everlasting Fulfillment Podcast, leanne Linsky, thank you. Welcome to the show, thanksillment.

Leanne: 1:45

Podcast Leanne Linsky. Thank you, welcome to the show. Thanks, I'm excited to be here to talk with you today.

Nico: 1:49

Yeah, we've been on quite a road to get here, but that's perfectly fine. It's always good in the end that we meet up. I got one question for you that I want to launch this conversation with. So have you ever heard of CEO disease and founder syndrome?

Leanne: 2:09

Not officially, but I think I've experienced it.

Nico: 2:13

Okay, that's a good start there. And how did you experience that Wonderful thing?

Leanne: 2:21

I think it say it again founder syndrome.

Leanne: 2:26

Founder syndrome, co disease, yeah, yeah, I think it's this for me. Anyway, what my experience has been is this need, like this innate need to solve a particular problem that I'm extremely passionate about. Passionate about and on the flip side, so that's like the positive side of it, and on the dark side of that, like in small print. Side effects also include, you know, getting getting fatigued and getting feeling isolated and questioning like what am I doing? Why am I doing this, all of the things, and like you know, and then picking myself back up again and then being like, oh, this is why this is what's, and then then the cycle repeats.

Nico: 3:15

So that's what it seems like yeah, exactly yeah, that's yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? Yeah, especially the isolation, indeed, is something, is something that's more out there than we know. Indeed, I love your history. By the way, you know. We talked about it a little bit in the green room. Your background is comedy. Can you tell us a little bit how you got there and what founder you are right now? Where you got right now?

Leanne: 3:44

Yeah, so part of how I got there is two divorces okay, but but honestly, I believe it started way before then.

Leanne: 3:55

Uh, I grew up in a very funny family. I have two older brothers and my parents who are all very quick-witted and smart and hilarious. They always have a sense of humor and I think for us it was a really healthy coping mechanism growing up, and so I've always learned ways to break the ice and how to socialize with people is using some form of levity with my humor. And as I went through college and things like that, my professors I would do really well with presentations because I would always interject humor and my parents really encouraged me to hone public speaking skills at a young age and would always very encouraging of the idea of practicing before I presented, and so, although like they weren't in jobs that required public speaking, they were often involved in social events, that they would be the person that would be nominated or they would volunteer to do those things, and so they were just like you just do it and you practice, and they'd have me practice presentations for school and everything in front of them all this time. So, and then you know, of course, add humor. So it really kind of stemmed from there. But I got into my like I actually enrolled in my first comedy writing class in 2001. And that was because I was doing a lot of public speaking for my day job at my, my, my, my career at the time and I wanted to interject, like Johnny Carson kind of monologue, into some of the things I was doing. I'm like, why need to learn how to write that? So I enrolled in a comedy writing class and then eventually one of my coworkers were like you know, the Second City has opened a training center here. So I'm originally from Illinois, in the Chicagoland area, and so I was very familiar with the Second City, which is a theater group known for political satire and sketch comedy, and a lot of the big names from Saturday Night Live were originated in the Second City. And well, the Second City ended up opening a training center in Las Vegas. So I went to college in Las Vegas. What a great place to go to college, am I right? Okay, no brainer here. But so I was like, oh yeah, I'm going to go to college in my right hand. Okay, no brainer here. But so I was like, oh yeah, I'm going to go. And then I I signed up for one class and I ended up taking like all their classes, I think, and then some of them two or three times. So I was hooked doing improv and sketch writing and things like that for for five years.

Leanne: 6:41

And then that day job, that career that I had, I was working for a Fortune 500 company and I thought I'd be there forever. Honestly, like I loved it it was. I had been there for nearly 13 years and I got laid off. And so my friends that I had met in the theater and whatnot, they're like hey, didn't you say if you didn't have that job you loved, you would move to New York. And I was like, why, why were you listening to me?

Leanne: 7:09

And so they, um, one of my friends that I had met on a trip to New York where I did some uh classes and stuff on a vacation. Um, he had reached out and he's like, hey, I, I found a sublet and you had mentioned you might be moving to New York. Do you want to share a sublet with me? And I'm like, well, I have to think about it. He goes, you have one hour. So I called him back, I said I'm in, and a month later I packed up two suitcases and moved to New York. Okay, yeah, so that is kind of my little long story of how I got there.

Nico: 7:39

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah well, it intrigues me to go to college in Las Vegas. Oh yeah, that's one hell of a bet, one heck of a chance my parents took.

Leanne: 7:52

What were they thinking?

Nico: 7:53

Might have ended up in a different way, yeah.

Leanne: 7:56

Well, I did. My first two years of my undergrad in Illinois I went to a community college and got my associate's degree. I did well, and I'm a first-generation college student on my dad's side of the family and so they were like wow, you know, you made it like you can, let's, let's see if you can continue this. And so I I got accepted to university of Nevada, las Vegas, and off I went, yeah.

Nico: 8:22

Yeah, okay.

Leanne: 8:22

Yeah.

Nico: 8:23

So what was the next step in your story? You know you ended up in New York, being the most humoristic person there, probably because all the rest are very boring. I lived in New York for a very short time. People there didn't like me. I'm from Belgium. It's just a weird country with a weird accent. So what happened to you there?

Leanne: 8:42

Okay, so you're from Belgium. So, jackson, so what happened to you there? Okay, so, you're from Belgium. So when I lived in New York, uh, I. So when I first moved there, I lived in Manhattan and then I moved to Queens. I was living in Astoria, queens, a lot of many of those years, um. But my neighbor upstairs, uh, we lived in a three-story, uh, home in Queens, you know, like each floor was its own unit, and my upstairs neighbor was from Belgium also. So, yeah, yeah, so her mom would come and stay in the summers and everything. It was so fun. And then our landlord she lived on the first floor and she was from Greece, and so she'd stand at the bottom of the stairs and she'd call up at us. She's like, oh, I made something. I'm like, well, what is that? And she's like, uh, and then she'd put like an American spin on it. So then I knew what it was that I was eating. But food was fantastic, it was a lot of fun.

Leanne: 9:34

But I moved to New York and I just immersed myself fully into the comedy scene taking classes, uh, getting uh, improv groups, you know, getting in in stage time, uh, doing all the things. I eventually started an open mic and then I hosted that open mic for seven and a half years. While I was there I produced shows. I wrote my one woman show which I premiered in New York and then I took to Washington DC and then to Wilmington, delaware and then back to New York. So I was performing it for like over about a year. Of course it took me at least that to write it. So I did that, I did some commercials, I did some theater and then eventually I moved from New York to California and people are like, oh, did you move to LA for your comedy? And I guess you could say that I moved there for a man and that turned out to be a joke. So that's a new material.

Nico: 10:33

Yeah, it's one way of doing it.

Leanne: 10:35

Yeah, I ended up meeting my husband there and we've been together ever since and it's been awesome. So, but I stayed there and what I quickly you know, I learned while being in New York we were very spoiled with wonderful mass transportation because I could take the subway and multitask, but I could get around so easily and I could spending more time on the highway than I was on any stage. And I was like this is bananas, how do I fix this? And so this was the end of 2014, beginning of 2015, that I had moved to LA. So I was like, maybe I'll take some things online so I can save money on gas and work out new jokes and still remain connected with people from the East Coast. And then I was like, oh, maybe I'll use Skype or Zoom or something.

Leanne: 11:29

And then life happened and I started doing a podcast which I told you about. I was going to do a comedy podcast about divorce and it turned out not to be funny to most people. I'm the weird one because I thought it was hilarious. And then I took some time to. I spent so many years talking at people from the stage that I ended up going to school to become a life coach so I could talk with people and become a better interviewer and really have more deep and meaningful conversations, especially on bigger topics, and that was, and that was, such a wonderful experience. Highly recommend Coachville if anyone's considering doing life coaching. But just like, and even if if someone doesn't intend on being a coach, just if you're leading a team or just want to improve communication what a what a beautiful way to do it. So I did that and had a coaching business.

Leanne: 12:31

I was still doing comedy, I was producing some shows and in California, and then I thought, you know what? I think it's time that I try this online thing I was talking about. So this was in August of 2019, bc, before COVID, and some people were like, why would I do comedy online? And other people were like, hey, this is really cool because now I'm meeting people from coast to coast and when I travel, I can, I know somebody, I can book gigs, I can, you know, have a connection. So there was like real value to it. And then, of course, connection. So there was like real value to it. And then, of course, covid happened and suddenly everybody started doing that. Right, and as that happened, what I realized when I initially set it up. I was using one technology for this, one for signups, one to promote it, a web my coaching website, with a special page on it for open mics, like you know, kind of cobbling together all these different apps or softwares to make something happen which can get pricey. It's a lot of work and I was like how do I kind of fix all these problems, but not just for me, but for more people? So I, quick sidebar, I had always promised myself that I would reconsider going back to school at the age of 50 to get my master's degree.

Leanne: 13:46

So guess what, during COVID, I was turning 50. So about a year or so in advance, I was telling my husband I was like you know, I'd always made myself this promise that I'd asked myself, hey, is this relevant? Like, is this important to me now? Should I revisit it? And I really wanted to because I want to. I think I'm a big fan of continual learning and also staying relevant and and I don't want to become one of those people who's just like, well, this is the way it was always done.

Leanne: 14:15

And back in my day, you know, um, and I'm like you know what there's. Things have changed. There's this whole entrepreneurial ecosystem I don't know anything about. And how, how do I make those connections? How do how do I expand that network so I can make my vision come to life of how I can fix these problems? So I went back to school at University of California, irvine, and got my master's in innovation and entrepreneurship, and that's where I had taken this whole idea. Like, this is what I want to work on in this program, because it's very applied learning. You know, it's a very accelerated program so that you can take what you learn that day and then go out that week and do it. And so, um, I started building out, like, my vision of, like here's all the things I want to do with this, this online platform to solve, you know, these various problems.

Leanne: 15:06

So, um, upon graduation, I was accepted into an incubator and so, uh, that was really helpful because that led me to an accelerator, which led me to funding and I could build a team, because I am a non-technical founder, which is really challenging when you have a tech company idea, you know, um, so it it took me a while. I think, like one of my biggest challenges was, like, how do I find the right team? And as I interviewed people and talked to people, some people be like well, why don't you just do this and stream to YouTube? I'm like, cause, that doesn't solve the problem, like, and also it exists. Like I'm not going to compete with YouTube, but what I was thinking of is so different than what actually existed, and so I eventually found wonderful people and I have been working primarily with the same team since then. So we launched onto the internet in December of what year is it? 2022. And we've been going ever since.

Nico: 16:14

And that's where Plausible then really came into fruition. That's it.

Leanne: 16:18

Yeah, yeah. So I had originally called it online open mic and then, during COVID, suddenly everything was an online open mic. I'm like, well, that's pretty generic, leanne, I should probably come up with a name, and I think I spent like days and like 10 sheets of paper writing down every possible name that I could come up with, and it was like a blend of what domain isn't already taken and what makes sense you know. So it was like a plausible and that's where it came from.

Nico: 16:54

Oh, it's a very good orientation, you know? Yeah, it's simple once you know exactly what's behind it. So, just for the audience, what's exactly behind Plausible? What's the idea behind Plausible? What's the problem that you're solving with your story there?

Leanne: 17:12

Right. So basically, plausible is a live online comedy platform, which means you go to Plausiblecom and it is if you're familiar with Etsy. Are you familiar with Etsy?

Nico: 17:27

Yes, I am Okay.

Leanne: 17:28

So Etsy is a marketplace for do-it-yourself businesses and buyers and plausible is a marketplace for comedians and their fans, and so when you log into plausible, you can log in as a comedian, create your profile. You get a profile page with your picture and your background, your bio and all that and your upcoming events, and then you get the scheduling tools, the virtual stages, the ticketing services everything built into Plausible so you can perform live online on Plausible, see and hear your fans in real time and hear them laugh, see them laugh.

Leanne: 18:06

So there's no fourth wall where you're waiting for a like or stopping and going like this off screen to read your chat or like me putting on your readers, um, so it's, it's live and interactive, because in comedy, um, it is like we need to hear your response in real time. It's not the same when we have to, like, do it by ourselves in a room with no, with silence, received with silence and then hope someone likes it. I like a lot of things, but it doesn't mean I listen to the whole thing. You know what I mean like so.

Leanne: 18:39

So this kind of bridges a gap. It's not intended to replace in person, because personally I don't think we can replace an in-person event as humans we need that one on one interaction but it certainly can bridge a gap in opportunity. There's a lot of opportunity missed between between an in-person event and something that you record in your own space, edit and then post and hope somebody comments or engages with later so that, like what happens in real time, and also, um, it eliminates the problem of geographic boundaries. Now people have access to an intimate, uh, personalized performance that they might not otherwise had unless they traveled to my area in which I'm performing in, and I can reach a global fan base, and so that's one of the problems it solves. It solves a problem of other online technologies that aren't designed specifically for entertainment or actual stand-up comedy or sketch comedy. We have our designs and audio set up so that it's conducive to what we need, um, versus going into a room and then feeling like, oh, I was just here for an accounting meeting, now I'm back again to watch entertainment like that should not be the vibe no offense to our accountant friends, but you know it should. It should look and feel and behave differently for an entertainment value and so um. So that's what we offer there, but the the the bigger sense of it, we took it a step farther, so that there's no gatekeeper, you don't? You know, like social media, you don't have to to ask Mark Zuckerberg for permission to post something. I'm plausible.

Leanne: 20:25

The comedians don't have to ask our permission to host an event. They can host a class, a workshop, a show or an open mic and you know, they have all the scheduling tools there. They have access to start their own event and their own event and invite who they want to invite, and then the fans can come in. They can search by all of the events that are happening and pick and choose which ones they want to go to. There's a lot of free ones, there's some paid ones.

Leanne: 20:54

And then the fans can also go through the talent directory and see what comedians are there and look at their bios and their profiles, and if they click on follow them, that doesn't mean they have to, like look at a feed of what they ate for breakfast. That means that they'll get notifications that, hey, the comedians they followed posted a show or an event they might be interested in. So and they can set their notification preferences however they like. But it's that kind of a marketplace that gives the comedians control of what and when and how they perform and fans control of what kind of comedy they like above 18 uh site. But but more innuendo, you know double entendre, you know no cuss words, things like that. And then you have moderate, where you might have an occasional uh bad word, and then you have your club what you would expect if you saw a comedian in a club. And then there's what they call blue, which is pretty dirty, raunchy, maybe shocking. Okay, you know.

Nico: 22:04

So if that's, not your thing don't pick that comedian you know you can go through the whole shebang just to test everything. So it's kind of the Netflix of comedy.

Leanne: 22:14

Exactly, except it's live. It's not video on demand, it's all live. There are some comedians who will record video on demand, it's all live. There are some some comedians who will record. They have the ability to record a show and they can publish it in the past events library and so you can go through the past events library and see like workshops or open mics or you know, so you kind of get a vibe of what people are doing.

Nico: 22:36

okay, well, that's, that's a very interesting platform. I think it's um, it's very interesting. I'm just thinking about what you said earlier when I asked you about founder syndrome, when you said, why am I doing this? You were saying the more negative part about founder syndrome instead of the positive one.

Nico: 22:56

You know, exactly what you want. The positive thing is like yeah, I want to do this, blah, blah, blah. And then the other side is like did you? This is one of those questions that a lot of people are. Why did you ask me that? Did you really come to a point of saying you know f word?

Leanne: 23:13

I've had it stopping right now, not doing this anymore yeah, I mean honestly, there's been points of like, why am I doing this? I should really stop doing this and then. But but at the same time I'm like I might I kind of laugh at myself, because I don't be dramatically talk to my husband like if something's really hard or something, I'm like, well, maybe you know, should I go and explore? And he's like, well, you could. And then I go and I look at something. I'm like, but I can't see me doing that and I I so passionate about what I am doing and I also am so committed to it that I don't I, no matter how hard something is, when it comes to the business, I don't see myself walking away, not yet, not at this point.

Leanne: 24:13

You know, I think there's still work to be done and I I feel like entrepreneurship is an. It's an, it's an evolving piece of art. You know, it's never done, it's not a destination, it's a journey. And you know, sometimes I'm it's not a destination, it's a journey. And you know, sometimes I'm pushing the boulder up a mountain, uh, by myself, and sometimes the boulder's running me over. I don't, you know, I mean, there's there's there's good days and there's bad days, but there would be good or bad days at any job and and you know, this is something that I feel strongly about and I think you know when those things cross my mind, I look at. But look at the people using my site. There's people using my site. There are people connecting and doing things and collaborating and creating, and so that keeps pushing me forward.

Nico: 25:07

So does that also feed your isolation of, you know, being an entrepreneur? Because I know that a lot of entrepreneurs like myself sometimes feel like I'm doing this by myself, even though you have a team and a lot of people around you, you're the you know, the foundation of the idea. If you're pressing that boulder and it's running you over?

Leanne: 25:31

yeah, who does the saving? Uh, within yourself? Yeah, I think, um, I think that I say I felt isolated way more in the beginning of the journey, um, than I do now, and or maybe my perspective, let me and maybe my perspective, let me change that. Maybe my perspective on isolation has changed Now. I find it comforting in some ways and the reason for that is because at the beginning, I wanted to surround myself with people within the ecosystem, which I think is very important and there's value to it all along the journey, not at just one point, but maybe sometimes it's more important at different milestones than others.

Leanne: 26:09

But it was really important to me to like connect with people and find out but there's also a fine line of connecting with people but also feel like I'm comparing myself, and that's when I think that takes me to the dark side of when I'm comparing myself, and that's when I think that's takes me to the dark side of when I'm comparing myself to somebody else, because their business isn't even like mine, or but they're getting accolades, or they're getting funding, or they're getting this or they're getting that, and then I'm like, oh, why not me, you know?

Leanne: 26:39

But, um, so what? I've really kind of learned is it's not, you know, I might not be doing everything in the ecosystem or having the founders meetings every week or something like. I do think those are important, but I also am conscientious of how, what, what I'm getting from it, what I'm taking in, because I don't want to get derailed and feel, you know, like if I go to a pitch, competition or an investor and a entrepreneur thing, you know everybody's putting their best, their best out there and they're telling you the good things, but not everybody's sharing the the the dark side.

Leanne: 27:21

So, you know it's like I gotta remember, like now everybody's telling me like, but they're also. You know it's like I kind of remember like not everyone's telling me like, but they're also. You know, having this experience. So I think it's just like filtering, learning the, the isolation has changed because I've really become better at filtering what information is coming at me and also when I choose to to go out into the wild and and do those things you know and and better prepare myself for what I'm taking in and also what I'm putting out there. I think that's really important too. How am I showing up to to things?

Leanne: 27:55

But the the part I do like a little bit about some isolation, especially reflecting back at the beginning, I was taking advice from everybody. You know I was like a sponge. I want to learn and hear what everybody has to say and you know if you ask someone for their opinion, they have one. But I also have to recognize is that a valid, is that feedback really pertain to the direction I'm going? Is that person an expert in this particular industry, you know, or is it coming from a place of founder experience or investor experience? That it doesn't.

Leanne: 28:34

You know. It's kind of industry agnostic but kind of better filtering that information. So I'm not so overwhelmed or trying to spend all of my time creating a pitch deck that everybody likes versus just getting the work done. So I think a lot kind of goes into that and I kind of appreciate now some of my quiet time and not always seeking something in that outside influence and kind of determining when I need that and when I just kind of need time to reflect and mull things over, noodle on something. Or now that I have, you know, been working with the same team for a long time, like we've built this rapport and relationship and they fully understand what we're doing. So they're great resources, which in the beginning I didn't have anybody, so it kind of changes. It's kind of a long answer. I don't know that it's all one thing or all not, or all another.

Nico: 29:35

Well, it's amazing what you're saying about becoming comfortable with the isolation.

Nico: 29:41

Yeah, and it's indeed something that I've had with entrepreneurs in the past Within my confidant part of the business. When I talk to people, I hear them say you know, I do feel isolated. I can't tell my story to anybody. What's going on? If they're, you know, in a run, who can I talk to To their partner? Well, not always, because you know, there's a lot of solopreneurs who have a partner but they're, you know, doing a daytime job, so they don't understand what all the entrepreneurship responsibilities and so on are. And even sometimes a lot of people I talk to their partner is struggling with the fact that they're entrepreneurs, so they don't want to hear about it.

Nico: 30:23

You know, it's kind of these things, that kind of work. But that's just on the relationship side. But on the other side as well, if you're in this space, for instance, in your space, you have all these people around you with an idea in their head and everybody has an agenda. You with an idea in their head and everybody has an agenda. You know, it's it's not that they want to use it as a negative thing, but it's a human thing of saying, oh, that's a good idea, yeah, and and it's just normal, you know, and at some point you kind of learn to, you know, basically shut up. That that's kind of what you learn. Yeah, don't tell your idea to anybody, because it's not that they're going to steal it in the same way, but it's some kind of something. You kind of give away a part of yourself.

Nico: 31:04

That's what I've learned and it's like I said, I love the fact that you're saying that you started to learn to accept the isolation and live with it. The same for me as well. You know, I've been doing a lot of things in the past as well and I threw it out there and indeed as well. Sponge, ask everybody's opinion and ideas. How many social network advisors I've met in the past. They just pop out of the ground like mushrooms, I think. But in any case, there's some valid info from there. But you just start filtering and when the filter becomes a natural aspect of who you are, then the isolation also becomes a natural aspect of yourself.

Nico: 31:48

And then it's the idea of standing in front of a virtual mirror or a real mirror and saying what the hell have you been doing this past few days? And then saying you know, reflecting on and I've learned I I recently put this as a post on linkedin as well is to sit in a meeting room. You know, I work, I work at customer sites and I sometimes have time in a meeting room and I actually move seats. I talk to myself by moving seats and, as you know, I'm gonna act as the annoying one now is I always. I don't know if you know the big bang theory. You probably know the big bang theory. Uh, one of the comedy shows in the us where sheldon sees himself in all these different chairs and one of them is his mic is is what is germaphobe? The other?

Nico: 32:32

one is his cowboy and and so on, and I I tried to do the same, not especially, you know, putting the clothes on, because kind of weird in a customer's environment, but anyway I do change these profiles and start discussing things with myself, and then I come to a point realizing like, oh, I never thought of that before. While you're talking to yourself, which?

Nico: 32:51

is kind of crazy but works, and and that's one of the things that I do want to bring out there, you're showing exactly what I think is good, is that the isolation is a good thing. You can really make it as a power and not as you know. Oh no, poor me. I am you know, et cetera, et cetera, but it's amazing to hear that, so that's great.

Leanne: 33:15

I agree. Can I add one other thing to that?

Nico: 33:17

Oh, yes, absolutely.

Leanne: 33:18

I also think like to your point. I love that your idea of the sitting in the different chairs and seeing yourself with, like different perspectives or a different personality type, and I kind of think that that's how I view like the people using my site, right, like what would they think how would this person look at this problem? Like, what would they think how would this person look at this problem and I really pay attention, you know, okay, if I'm in their shoot, like put myself in their seat, how would I view this problem? And that usually can help me solve the problem. And the other thing is is I realized that I've also learned to.

Leanne: 33:56

When I do bring something to the table, like a question, or I'm seeking some information or validation of an idea or whatever it may be, testing a hypothesis, I really spend more time in isolation putting that thought together so I could be clear when communicating it, because if I'm not, there's no telling what can of worms I'll open up. But I think going back to my users rather than other founders in other industries and stuff going back to my users and my customers are is so valuable because observing and listening I can get so much better ways to help them than some of my own ideas, you know, and then if I want to test something, I can throw it out there and see and I can watch. You know, say what do you think this or this, and I can watch them how they work through it and I can clearly see the answer. You know, it's so that that's also some time in isolation to reflect. That is really helpful.

Nico: 35:00

So there's, there's a lot of positive news out here. Listeners, you know, if you feel isolated, don't Live with yourself and change your perspective by yourself. And, like you said, leanne, you know, talk to your customers, that's one message that's pretty important. You know, listen to what? Because the final point is they're buying stuff from you. So there's must something be, something that you're doing right.

Nico: 35:24

And can you even do better. So, leanne, thank you so much for your time today. I think we've got a bit of everything that we talked about, and I find what you're creating or you have created something very intriguing and great that it's out there, because I think there's a lot of people that might not have the possibility to travel and see their favorite comedian or whomever they want to see. No, that's great. So let's say, where can people find you? I think it's probably plausiblecom or something like that.

Nico: 36:01

It'd be very easy. People. You know, if you're listening, it's P-L-A-U-Z-Z-A-B-L-E, it's not applause. And then something else. So, it's very important. So tell us where can they find you and how can they contact you if they want to. You know, go a little bit deeper into who you are and what you're doing, yeah, plausiblecom.

Leanne: 36:23

You can usually find me on there. There's also a contact me form, or you can go to LinkedIn and find me as Leanne Linsky. There's one of me in the world, and if there's another one, report it, because it's a bot Copywriting invention. You can't duplicate this, yeah, so LinkedIn is a great way to connect with me also.

Nico: 36:46

Super, super. So again, thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show and tell us about your point of view on these topics and to the listeners. Thank you so much again. Everybody Don't remember, you know, remember to put that five-star review and, you know, share with somebody who might be interested, especially on the comedy side. They're very, very prevalent at this point. Um, and thanks again for listening.

Leanne: 37:10

Everybody have a great so much.